Guest post by Michael Alexis
There are plenty of other sites for people that want to save on their laundry detergent. This is not one of them.
– Ramit Sethi, iwillteachyoutoberich.com
Okay, so you probably like getting traffic right? Of course, it’s nice to know that somebody, anybody, is reading our work. Well here’s a little secret I learned from a top blogger: you’re better off turning traffic away. Read that again. Ramit Sethi says turning people away isn’t just good – it’s essential, and he has the credibility to back that up.
Ramit’s personal finance blog, I Will Teach You To Be Rich (IWTYTBR) welcomes hundreds of thousands of visitors every month. Some visitors stay and become regular readers, while others go after just a few minutes. Here’s the kicker, Ramit’s greatest pleasure is the traffic that leaves. Why? Because the people that stay are engaged, committed and ready to take action.
When I did this audio interview with Ramit, I wanted to find out how he segments his audience. I wanted to find out why he makes fun of people. I wanted to find out how he manages the fine line between cocky and confident. After all, with a name like “I Will Teach You To Be Rich”, Ramit has a lot to live up too.
This post summarizes some of the key points from our interview.
Send Them To That Other Blog:
Some people would say ‘that’s so offensive, don’t you know not everyone makes $50,000 right out of college?’, and I’d tell them to go to some other site.
– Ramit Sethi, on the early days
IWTYTBR isn’t like other personal finance blogs, and Ramit knows it. That’s why when people ask him to post more about saving money he directs them to visit one of the many alternative frugality sites. What? Really? If your readers want you to write about something, shouldn’t you just do it?
No.
Ramit doesn’t write about frugality, because that’s not the type of reader he wants. Instead, his writing focuses on topics like the psychology of money, earning more money, and entrepreneurship – to attract people interested in these topics. A high level of interest is important because a successful blog doesn’t happen overnight – it takes commitment. You need to be interested in what you’re writing about, and so do your readers. By defining what that interest is and being consistent, you’ll develop a stronger following.
Create The Right Kind Of Customer:
People that want to save money don’t necessarily want to spend money to save it.
– Ramit Sethi, on creating an audience
But aren’t all visitors the same? Maybe if you’re using adsense. Ramit doesn’t use display ads on his site, instead he monetizes through subscriptions, courses, and his best selling book. There are some people that are ready to invest in these products, and others that aren’t. Here’s an example:
Frugal Fred visits I Will Teach You To Be Rich. He reads a couple of posts, and makes a comment about how he’d like to see more frugality tips: like saving money by skipping on lattes. Then he hears about Ramit’s Earn 1-k course, and his first thought is, “how much does this cost?”.
Compare that to Vicky Value who visits, reads a post about freelancing and gets her first gig that same day. She’s hooked, and when Vicky sees the Earn 1-K course her first question is, “can you show me others who have had success with your course?”
What’s the difference between Fred and Vicky? Fred is obsessed with cost, and Vicky is obsessed with value. Who would you rather have as a customer?
It’s Okay To Offend Someone:
I want to attract the right people, while intentionally repelling the wrong people. I don’t want them, they don’t want me.
– Ramit Sethi, on audience segmentation
Have you ever not posted because you didn’t want to offend a reader? Did you go back and edit a line or two? Is the post still sitting as a draft? Next time, consider posting it. At IWTYTBR, some mockery has become part of Ramit’s brand. For example, he often makes fun of people that are excessively frugal. He’s not malicious. It’s funny. And in a way he has a point: skipping lattes and restarting a budget for the 5th time don’t work.
Here’s something to keep in mind – Ramit says, “I’m not trying to offend unnecessarily, not at all, it’s not a shtick or anything. This is how I talk in real life. In fact, I tone it down for my blog”. By writing like you speak, and like you think, your blog takes on your personality. This is something unique and remarkable, especially in a world full of “me-too” blogs. So, the next time you find yourself hesitating to press that “publish” button, take a deep breath, and take the plunge.
While talking about audience segmentation, Ramit made a statement that really stuck with me. He said, “the number one thing that’s really important to building something of value, is that you’re not going to appeal to everyone. If you do, you’re probably really boring”.
Don’t be boring.
Michael Alexis produces WriterViews. He interviews top bloggers and authors to find out how to make it in writing. You can listen to his interviews at WriterViews.
Bonus for WeBlogBetter Readers:
I convinced Ramit to give away another interview where he reveals:
- How he got into the Wall Street Journal (a HUGE credibility-booster for aspiring bloggers)
- How to test your content before posting it to your blog
- Why “if you build it, they will come” is flawed advice (and what the correct advice is)
To get it, free, go to iwillteachyoutoberich.com/michael-interview-followup







This is so right! I’ve spent all my time writing for everybody, trying to use words that are easy to understand and making everybody to “like” me, while with this strategy you can get exactly the people you want and need for your business. Brilliant!
There is nice guide for customer relation.
I guess that the message is ‘Just write for just your targeted audience and there is no use of unnecessary traffic on your blog.’
Write for your target audience.
I’m not sure there’s such thing as “unnecessary traffic”. You can learn something from every visitor, including the ones that bounce/don’t stay long.
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Michael
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Yeah, you’ll learn that you don’t want them either. :P
Seriously, I like how you think.
Well, we cannot please everyone…but pleasing a lot makes the big difference…
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Pleasing a lot of people sure would be nice, but “knowing” what has mass appeal is a talent not everyone has. Starting small is a good strategy too. Work to please 10 people, than 100, than 1000.
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You had my eyes open with this Michael. Frankly, I had been doing things the wrong way and this made me think that I should be more bold and honest in my work. My greatest error is that I have been trying to please everyone while abandoning what I would really like to say. :-)
Thanks, Walter! So glad you enjoyed it – chatting with Ramit was a really eye opening experience for me too. Hope your transition goes well!
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Michael
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There are some points that I didn’t know, thanks for sharing this. Really a helpful one!
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Thanks Sanji. Which points were most helpful?
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I agree 100%… I’m a firm believer in staying true to yourself.
Sure you should try to appeal to your audience in away that’s inclusive, but not at the cost of going against what your brand stands for.
Me, I want cool readers, cool customers, people I wouldn’t mind hanging out with if I were to meet them out in public…this affinity with my readers/customers fuels my desire to serve them in a greater way.
Your website/blog is just that, yours, and you have the choice to choose who you want to appeal to or hang out with.
Yes you should absolutely embrace all constructive criticism your readers give and adjust accordingly. However when criticism becomes “haterism” then you should boot those people. You don’t need them…they’ll wreck your positive coolness.
For every hating reader/customer there’s 1000 other cool people you don’t mind serving willing to take their place, so why deal with them.
Always stay true to yourself.
Live it! Learn it! Share it!
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Thanks for the thoughtful feedback Adrian.
It’s easy to succumb to the want for traffic. More. More. More. But appealing to the right people definitely trumps appealing to those that aren’t a good fit.
The internet is a big place. Even a niche topic, with the right level of value, will attract all the readers you need.
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now i get the main thing why mostly readers quit your site after staying few minutes. i must go with your tips. thanks Sethi.
I guess that this could work for me. I like the post and the advice could work if ever applied. Thanks for sharing this information. I bet a lot of bloggers especially those who don’t know much about this kind of stuff should learn about this. Glad i have come across this article!
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Thanks, Cass – glad you enjoyed it.
I totally agree audience segmentation is key. In fact I worked have worked in marketing for almost 10 years and target group related elements have always been at the center of success or failure…
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Thanks for your comment, Susan.
Do you have any tips from your experience you’d like to share?
Hi Micheal,
Well obviously this post is good. But Ramit Sethi is so straight forward. Its not good to say intentionally repel wrong people, it some time’s make things worse. You don’t know when and where a wrong person become your most right person. Its not a good idea to avoid unwanted people but its good to let them get aware and try bring them in your wanted people list.
That’s just my opinion,that’s how I think, many would disagree this but is what I think is good.
Regards.
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Hi John,
I think everyone has their own approach to building their readership, and that’s part of what keeps people coming back, isn’t it? Your readers appreciate your communication style, and the fact that you try not to offend anyone. Ramit’s readers are entertained by his antics and straightforward language.
That said, you make a great point about the difference between a non-customer and a potential customer.
Hi Lauren,
I totally agree with you. Everyone has his own style to develop readership. And this great guy have huge list of readers who like to read his posts and really appreciate Ramit’s unique style.
Regards.
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I like his approach because it’s honest and there’s no gray area with him.
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Marazm, I think that’s probably what most of Ramit’s readers like about him.
The more open you are about your point of view, the more connected you can be to your audience, right?
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Michael, awesome post. That is so true what Ramit said about trying to appeal to everyone. I don’t think that is our goal as niche bloggers. We want our dedicated audience. Any old audience will not do. The example between Fred and Vicky was right on. Market yourself properly and the people who are your targets will be on the same frequency.
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Thanks, Sharla!
Any tips for how to hone in on the audience you want?
Sure, no problem.
I believe you should choose an audience RELATED to a topic you want to teach on and that you’re passionate about.
Let’s say you’re passionate about real estate as an example. This would make a great topic to position yourself as a citizen educator or expert on because your passion will fuel the quality of service and content you provide to your audience’s interest in learning about real estate.
The key is to find people similar to you that you don’t mind serving for a long period of time. Choosing a topic is akin to choosing a career. A passionate topic is one you wouldn’t mind speaking about, living and breathing for a few years. As you can see, this is so much easier to do when it’s a subject you are truly committed to and passionate about.
Thank you and Good Luck!
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Very interesting! I like his approach because it’s honest and there’s no gray area with him. Thanks for sharing his story and tips and I guess it’s OK to lose the traffic that doesn’t matter.
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That’s right – by being very clear (i.e. black and white) about his audience, Ramit can be selective with both how he writes, and what kind of products he sells.
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Michael
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Ramit is so right! There are different kinds of traffic and there is no point in chasing the wrong kind of traffic. One of the best way to do this is to stay within the scope of the subject for which the site is meant. Covering every topic under the sun might work for about.com but it is definitely not a course of action that active bloggers should pursue.
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Totally… that reminds me of a ProBlogger post where the writer (maybe Daren) said blogs without a specific focus can end up looking like content farms – and getting punished by Google in the rankings.
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Michael
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I have to agree with his way of thinking. I have always believed in value and when my customers think the same way, it makes for a smoother transaction and customer relationship. It seems that the customers who are focused on value, know what they want. Thank you
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Thanks, Rick! I’ve just remembered an article I enjoyed by Chris Guillebeau, where he defines “value”.
His simple definition it, “value means helping people”.
More here: http://chrisguillebeau.com/3×5/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet/
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Michael
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Hi, Michael. I was referring to email opt-in lists. Sorry about that.
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Your post made me visit Ramit’s blog and … I stayed there for some time. I do like his style (as well as yours, by the way) and in most points I agree with you. But what concerns offending bloggers I should say that it’s a very slippery road – you should be a good psychologist to control the border between mockery and allowed acceptable remarks.
Thanks, Anna! During our interview I told Ramit that he’s very close to the border between confident/cocky – but that in my opinion he’s on the right side of that line. I think one way he diffuses offense is by making fun of himself as much as he does others. i.e, for not knowing anything about sports, for being a personal finance geek, etc.
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yes write only for the blogs in which you are interested. the ramit’s ideas defined here are quite impressive. Nice 1.
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Thanks Atish! This was one of the points that resonated best from my conversation with Ramit, i.e, it’s okay to turn people away and focus on a specific audience.
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yes these points are just awesome for the bloggers. I liked these honestly..as I am at my office so i didn’t read it completely till now. just had a look and i found its great. I will surely read it completely from my home.
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Thanks, hope it helps :- )
I have two more posts from the Ramit interview going up on other blogs soon, i.e, ProBlogger… if you keep an eye on the “guest post” page of my site, I’ll post them there.
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Michael
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Sure
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Hmmmm…..value vs. cost. I may have to change some thinking. Honestly, I often equate them as being the same but they just as easily can be different. I can see in the business setting, the CEO is more interested in returned value. It may be worth spending whatever the cost is as you may get such a return that is exponentially greater than what you spend to obtain that. That all being said, it may still come down to the bottom of a bank account for some potential clients, whether or not see the potential value.
I really liked Ramit’s focus on finding customers that are interested in value vs. cost. I think this type of customer will get better results from your advice – and isn’t helping people take action really what so many of us are trying to achieve?
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Michael
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Is Ramit’s studied psychology? He is good in reverse psychology and that I believe that is his strategy. He filters those really interested and trow those useless thing. Nice strategy and thanks for sharing.
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He’s studied psychology, marketing, finance, etc.
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Ramit’s idea is good,write for those who are interested on your blog,not for those random troll which will just consume your bandwidth.That is why micro niche sites ecpm is better although they low traffic,but they have high conversion rates because traffic is targetted
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Exactly. And by writing for that specific audience you can offer real value to your visitors. That will keep theme returning, and they will be more likely to share with like-minded friends!
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I totally agree with Ramit’s idea of not writing for everyone. Define your audience, (if possible) from your blog’s title and let the wrong guy go some place else.
Unless you run an advertising oriented kind of blog of which you can use any kind of legit traffic (i run one of such). But if it has to be a person to person kind of blog, this is the way to go..
I’m not into mockery anyway..
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Thanks, Ikenna. That’s a good point. Some blogs/websites really are just interested in getting a tonne of traffic – and not necessarily on providing a lot of value. For Ramit, he’s spending 15-18 hours crafting a very specific post – and wants to make sure that the right people are reading it!
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I just upload whatever is on my mind into my computer, which spits it out as a blogpost. If nobody likes it, I really don’t care. If everyone loves it, I could care less.
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Thanks, Dave. That seems to be where blogging started. i.e, more like a journal written for our own benefit.
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I have heard this before, especially applied to lists. It goes back to that old saying that when you try to please everyone, you please no one. People know what they want. Trying to convince them otherwise only prolongs the inevitable. They will leave eventually. It’s best to let them go and focus on those that are there for the real you. That takes a lot less energy anyway. ;)
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Thanks, Angie. How exactly did it work with lists? i.e, how do you craft list posts for a specific audience?
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Hi, Michael. I have heard this frequently about our email opt-in lists. Sorry that wasn’t clear.
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Ah – gotcha! Absolutely. It’s about of an ego thing to want to grow our email lists bigger and bigger – but super important that people a) actually want to be on it, and b) want that so much that they actually open the emails! (and c) don’t mark the message as spam!)
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